Permalink Reply by Khem the Is Real-ite on January 24, 2012 at 11:49am Replies are open for this discussion.
Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on January 24, 2012 at 5:45pm
Permalink Reply by Khem the Is Real-ite on January 24, 2012 at 7:47pm Look, she's wearing the free robe they gave her last time she was comp'ed at the Tangiers in Vegas!
Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 25, 2012 at 12:00am Khem, just look at what you're wearing in photo below taken from one of you YouTube Videos - more.
Now look at Dadi Janki and tell me who looks like they were comp'ed.
Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 26, 2012 at 9:15am
Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on January 26, 2012 at 11:08am Jesus is the Sun of "Righteousness". Jesus went to the cross to pay the price for humanity’s "unrighteousness” Kernal. ALL human efforts to achieve righteousness are doomed to failure. Human efforts to become righteous can only lead to self-righteousness, pride, and host of auxiliary delusions. No man can achieve the Righteousness of God and the perfection of God. That is why Jesus became our "ransom" in order to "pay the price" for you and me. And His humanness being incarnated as a human being, He was qualified to be our substitute. thereby satisfying God His Father, in our behalf. (Any questions?)
No man can come to the Father (that God. the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...that God. Yaweh, El Shaddai, YHVH, and a whole host of other names, (each of His names all listed in the Old Testament, each if His names denotes an attribute of Good), but through Jesus, Kernal.
What you are being taught takes your further away from that fact and deeper and deeper into delusions that you (or anyone else including all yogis, male or female), can achieve "perfection" outside of Christ. That impulse that you can use your own efforts to achieve full enlightenment and rightousness is, fostered by the spirit of antichrist, and of such power and glory. The Glory of God is way to powerful for any human to approach Him..They would die way outside the gates of His city. Just read the story of the Ark and its awesome powers and how impossible it was (is) to approach it under the threat of death. Think about radioactive poisoning then multiply that by 1000 to the umpteenth power AND YOU WILL GET MY DRIFT.
Satan loves that impulse and encourages any and all to seek salvation outside of Jesus the Christ.
You have said that your BK system can be useful to anyone of any religion..so just ask Jesus into your heart (Jesus is not a religion Kernal..Jesus is not a "christian"), and forgive you of any and all imperfections and shortcomings, errors, and anything else that separates you from God, and to take ovger your life as Lord.
Then your BK studies that you say is npot a religion will have the One true God as your supervisor and the Holy Spirit as your teacher. Then my dear fellow you will be standing on solid ground, on the Rock to be orecise.
Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 26, 2012 at 2:23pm And name the ones here who is essential in disagreement with you on the fact that Christ Jesus is the forerunner of that which all might achieve. Is this non scriptural understanding disputed?
Is it possible that those who belong in the garden are destined to return of at least 1000 years?
The paradigms we use may be different but the love of truth is the same. The question is - which truth? The higher one or the lower? I'm for the higher. How about you Robert Can you think of anything less? So Jesus was a self-realized individual 2000 years ago. Is he as self realized today as he was yesterday? You understand yes while I understand not. This is one essential difference of (either) paradigms.
You think you are right and because others do not concur that they are "wrong". This simplistic reasoning is what has caused turmoil in mankind for millennia. At one level, the question becomes, "Are you having FUN?" While at another, we search for evidence of that ehich is correct.
Something is happening but you don't know -do you?
Permalink Reply by Khem the Is Real-ite on January 26, 2012 at 4:30pm
Permalink Reply by Khem the Is Real-ite on January 27, 2012 at 12:45am
Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 27, 2012 at 7:51am The point of these discussions with you is to show how low you can go Khem. And you do this very well.
Khem is a self-proclaimed Sufi mystic who claims Jesus and Satan are synonymous who would rather insult than ascend from his limited perspective of reality.
Anyway, Khem, keep lurking in the shadows taking pot-shots at successful people if you wish but expect none to pay heed. Where does this take you. Your life is what you got. Ever been to Asia or do you simply put down those who see the world. You don't know what you're missing - but how do you tell a sleeping man he is asleep. Wake up Khem. You are better than this.
Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on January 27, 2012 at 9:34am Kernal wonders.."How do yopu tell a sleeping man he is asleep"?
Robert says...that Kernal is the very heart of what I have been endeavoring to share wuth you. It is very difficult to share with you for example that you are asleep.
Speaking of my boss Jesus..that is the very essence of what He was teaching to anyone that had ears to hear..and so far you are stone deaf and cannot budge from your very deep sleep fron the reality of a true spiritual awakening. It is not only Jesus that tried to tell anyone and eveeryone that they were asleep..look at socrates who also said "Man know thyself", and there are countless others.
Your current studies that you are locked and boxed into have convinced you that waking up is not needed because the "franchise" proclaims that you are born with a soul (True Self) and if you miss the boat of God consciousness this time around "Dont worry Be Happy" justy grab the brass ring next cosmic chance and you can go around the circle..the merry go round, again..and again..and again..(chasing your tale..er..tail), forever and ever, and ever again. What Crap and what lies you believe.
In the book "In Search of the Miraculous" P D Ouspensky very clpearly reveals thaqt you (mankindin geneeral..so do not take it personally, goes through life sound asleep and is like a machine in all respects.
here is an extract from that bopk.
And the first thing necessary is for a man to see how far in fact he is from these possibilities. Man, says Gurdjieff, is actually not a man, he is a machine. All the attributes of man—freedom, understanding, love, creativity—are not his until he works for them. Man can cease to be a machine; he can become conscious. But first he must see his complete mechanicalness. This is extremely difficult, and very few can wish for or bear to see the truth about themselves.
Gurdjieff describes his teaching as representing the fourth way, not the way of bodily struggle (the way of the fakir), nor the way of purification of the emotions (the way of the monk), nor the way of purification of the mind (the way of the yogi). The fourth way works on all aspects of man at the same time, and requires no renunciation or belief. It can be and indeed must be practiced in the midst of ordinary life conditions. It is thus easier and faster, but also, in another sense, far more difficult than the traditionally recognized methods of self-development. The difficulty consists in its inherent newness—it can never be a culturally familiar form, but must always move at a different tempo from human culture or the normally recognized functions of reason; because it is the rapid path, it puts constant pressure upon the individual for seeing the truth about himself.
Gurdjieff also speaks about the absence of unity in another, more fundamental way which also points to the meaning, in this teaching, of man’s potentially developed unity. The human structure, Ouspensky and his group learn, consists of several minds. These minds, or centers of perception, are the real structural elements of human nature and any attempts to bring man to unity that do not understand these centers are bound to fail.
Jacob Needleman is Professor of Philosophy at San Francisco State University and the author of many influential books, including The New Religions (1970), The Heart of Philosophy (1982), Money and the Meaning of Life (1991, Rev. 1994). His most recent work is Time and the Soul (1998).
please read this bvook..in my opinion it should be requirtrede re4ading for anyone that wants to know the truth about himsel..or herself..the eternal SElf..your soulpo Kefrnal..your soul is entirely your responsability,,not your teacers..and certainnly not your currecnt studies and ppractices.
REad this book before you lose entirely any possability of "self" awakening and self discovery. You may become so locked and boxed (possessed and fixated) that nothing or nobody can reach you
Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 27, 2012 at 11:35am Robert, your message has been that you are awake in/through Jesus and those who do not believe that Jesus is God are asleep (souless). Your messages are self serving intended to demean others who do not concur or comply with your thoughts. When I think of Jesus, I don't see you anywhere present.
"I found that the chief difficulty for most people was to realize that they had really heard "new things": that is, things that they had never heard before. They kept translating what they heard into their habitual language. They had ceased to hope and believe there might be anything new." - Ouspensky
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto them. Neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - Paul of Tarsus
I am a soul with a body not a body with a soul. I am eternal, unique and indivisible. This is the premise I use Robert. What is yours? How do you discern your-self?
Are you ready for a reasonable discussion or must I read your books before having a reasonable discussion.
If I have no soul - as you say, then who or what am I Robert? Am I a body and my soul would then be an epiphenomenon of this physical costume?
The one thing I know is that I AM (OM). Myself.
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