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Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 10, 2012 at 6:58am

So Khem, let's see if I can get this right.  You are a Christian-Sufi.  Right?

I've heard of Jews for Jesus - never Sufis for Christ? So you don't need to be Muslim to practice Sufism.

You're making it up as you go along.  You're making it up to suite your-self. You seem to be a loner who represents only himself.  Are you, for example, part of Roberts Solar Yoga Brotherhood?

You don't mind if I put in a plug for the Khem The Revelator Channel you set up on Youtube - MORE.  I searched but found none of your commentaries addressed how the Self acquires a Soul.  Khem what is the self if not the soul - infinitesimal point of self-luminescent energy that is unique (non-cloning principle) and eternal?   What paradigm do you function within?

Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 10, 2012 at 7:17am

Robert, I simply ask under what authority do you proclaim that I or anyone else has no "soul".  Is this a divine proclamation and if so where to you get the authority to make it (scripture?) or are you self anointed.  How can I or anyone take you seriously when you appear to speak without authority yet judge that another is devoid of soul. 

Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 10, 2012 at 7:53am

Does Robert proclaim that he HAS a soul or that he IS a soul?  

Robert believes that he HAS as soul however Robert appears unable to explain who or what HE is.

I ask him to explain who or what HE is, if not a metaphysical soul, and he insists he already did.  But he cannot remember where or when he did this.

Robert can hold whatever belief he wants but when he imposes it on others, as he does - from time-to-time, it represents his deeper sanskaras - the ones that define who and what he is at this moment in time.  Robert uses his theology like a caveman uses his club.  He seems to have problems accepting the fact that there are other successful, productive, well balanced people who don't share his understandings or beliefs.  Rather than emerge the sanskara of tolerance, frustration and anger emerge in his tone and tendency to call people names. 

Give it up Robert.  Move along. If not now - never.  Follow the path of your Prince of Peace and find the strength to tolerate others like me.  Why be combative. If your energies are not received by others here, they are destined to return to the self. Give no sorrow and take no sorrow.  Our thoughts, words and actions  do count.  Be careful what you imbibe and what you spew.

If you are not a soul Robert, then what are you - a body?  Let's discuss.  And knock off the Christian bully stuff.  It does not become you or this site.

This is the true you - is it not?

This is the true you.
The original you.
The victorious you.
The powerful you.
The knowledge-full you
The Peaceful you.

The giver of love.

Must we argue this also?

Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 10, 2012 at 10:21am

Hey Khem, I wanted to point out another typo.  It should read - Psyche Salvis.  You're a funny guy.

Here's a rather long video that will explain a little more about where I come from.  Thanks for sharing your videos via:

Cheers

Salvis has Psyche

Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on January 10, 2012 at 8:14pm

just like your bogus bottom feeder wannabe pretense of an advanced yogic system has borrowed from the bible in its efforts to be accepted..now you are borrowing from ancient shamanism that you simply do not know the very fundamentals.

Are you now saying that the BK menu teaches Shamanism?

Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on January 10, 2012 at 8:34pm

Robert says'...that the mighty BK "Whopper" Mahatma Guru swears is about
to extinguish roughly 7,000,000,000,000 human beings?'

the Kernal says...The theology you refer to contends that destruction will result in the physical survival of all but 900,000 human-beings. These souls go on to populate what you refer to as paradise or Eden. As such, when the one you call Adam and others refer to as Vishnu, Krishna, Naryan, Adi Dev, The First Man incarnates, this great soul is not alone.

Kernal why do you believe this?

Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on January 10, 2012 at 8:37pm

Keranl if you had a soul you could experience that soul.
Wwhat is your experience of that soul?

Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 10, 2012 at 8:55pm

So you suggest that the system of yoga taught through the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University is borrowed from the bible and that somehow Christianity does not borrow from Judaism.  Sorry Robert, your logic betrays you.

     "Do not do to others what you would not have them do to you."
           - Rabbi Hillel (born Babylon traditionally c.110 BCE, died 10 CE in Jerusalem).

I can see that God's teachings would have quite a bit of overlap from one community or era to another.  Do you think that God only speaks to the children of one religion. The Kalpa Tree explains this quite clearly.

There is nothing bogus here.  It is a real as anything you know.  This should not offend or agitate you.

Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 10, 2012 at 9:02pm

You are being very playful. 

Why do you believe that Christianity, and no other religion, is the only way to God. 

Robert, I am sure your personal beliefs and understandings will serve you at least as well as mine serve me.  Would you not agree?  Of course.

Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 10, 2012 at 9:47pm

As you know, I am of the clear and firm understanding that I am an eternal soul that currently has a body.  As such, "I" do not experience "my" soul.  The soul is what I am.  Put otherwise, "I am that I am." 

Robert, I am a metaphysical soul.  I, the soul, comes into matter to experience life.  This is either not in the understanding that "I am a soul - I have a body", or in the consciousness that "I am a body and I have a soul".  The story goes that when man forgets his true spiritual nature and proceeds in the understanding that he is flesh - that's where he starts to get into real trouble. 

The human soul not only consciously experiences life, the human soul is, to one degree or another,  consciously aware of the itself.  This abstraction or ability to not only participate or respond to life but to objectively detach and observe ones own life experience enables one the ability to choose, plan, predict and self direct - IMHO. 

Sorry Robert, I do not experience the soul per say.  I am the soul and this soul (me) is what experiences life and also directs my response to it.  

"I", the soul, experience life though my sense organs. I, the soul, use this information to guide or drive my body through the risks and opportunities of life.  If I am engaged in bad actions (karmas) I will always eventually pay the price.  If I follow God's divine instructions, I get to remain in paradise - that is until the merits gathered at the end of the last cycle (Good Karma) run out. More on that later - unless you have some questions now.

I am interested to hear your alternative cosmology.  Robert, how do "you" experience "your" soul.  And, if you are not your soul, could your describe who or what "you" are?  Also can you try to tone down the derogatory statements.  They don't suite a well meaning Christian American like you.

Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on January 11, 2012 at 8:51am

You are being very playful.

Kernal..I will say this again..one more time..Please post this over your third eye where you spend so much time looking into..wishing and hoping to be “electifried” and lifted up somewhere...else than where you already are... OH deafened one.
Christianity has saved NO ONE..REligions do not save anyone including your kleptomaniac system that is simply a rehash of the highlights in STOLEN WORDS with no substance or spiritual reality JESUS SAYS THAT YOU ARE ASLEEP NOT ROBERT. Jesus is my authority not some rich jeweler that like thousands before him started yet another religious system that is designed to attract mindless zombies into its portals.
Nothing new about that KernaL..LOOK AROUND (IF YOUR “KEEPERS” ALLOW YOU TO TRULY INVESTIGATE AND TRULY COMPARE PRACTICES AND TEACHINGS WITH THE INNUMERABLE YOGI SYSTEMS THAT USE THE SAME MEANINGLESS WORDS AND SAME DULL ALMOST USELESS TECHNIQUES THAT DO NOTHING BUT “SOOTHE” AND TRAANQUILIZE ONES NERVOUS SYSTEM INTO A DEEPER STATE OF SOMNAMBULISTIC ENTRANCED, HYPNOTIZED, (OOPS CAPS AGAIN..SCUSE THEM..ROBERT WAS DEEP DIVING INTO YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS TO LOOK FOR YOUR SOUL..OH THERE IT IS OVER THERE..IN THE CORNER..WITH THAT POINTY HAT AGAIN..SUCKING ITS THUMB..POP EYED AS USUAL..AND APPARENTLY WAITING FOR GODOT../AS YOUR THIRD EYE BLINKS QUIVERS, SHAKES RATTLES AND ROLLS TO THE DRONING OF PRERECORDED SOUNDS FORM THE AUDITORIUM SPEAKERS OVER THERE IN INDIA..I CAN EVEN SMELL THE INCENSE IN MY CLAIRVOYANT AWAKENED STATE NOW.


SERIOUSLY Kernal...Kernal what iota of a particle of substance does your Frqanchise teach? What new thing does it “claim” to have for humanity..that they already have a soul so be happy? Just hum a mindless chant and pretend you can stimulate the pineal gland with enough energy to launch you into paradise? Jimmimy ChristAMAS Kernal “Snap..Snap..Snap OUT OF IT AND BEGIN FROM ZERO REALITY IS ZERO), your God given task to wake the F... UP!.

You assume you have something named a "soul" because your lazy system that you have been hypnotized into with "words" have not truly told you the truth. Jesus is the entire TRUTH in His being..Jesus is God in a once upon a time, flesh and bones person that was born into a fleshly body as predicted throughout the HEBREW scriptures. These scriptures are most ancient and were preserved throughout the entire history (of mystery), and THEN adopted by Moses who inherited in his Egyptian sojourn them from deepest (darkest..meaning still hidden) roots of what the bible says are the mysteries of our true origins. These mysteries contained all the essence of “Truth” needed to take a human like Enoch into an eternal state and to Paradise and Enoch represents the essence of theperfect transformative (trance removing), systems (H e lived 365 years Kernal..a solar lifetime..a coded reference to the a solar year for your mindless information), that are taught in secret to those qualified to receive them (and not qualified by consuming Whoppers from a modern franchise that is initialed BK. BK has nothing whatsoever in its menu that comes close to the kind of disciplines, practices, devotion, and excellence of the Solar power that you need to "AWAKE" AS Jesus teaches TODAY.

Jesus is restoring His Lost Teachings that the largesse of which "Christianity" has forgotten a long time ago. These lost teachings have been submerged into the various "Esoteric" systems as "fragments”..sacttred in plain sight in many forms that are quite visible today but require a degree of illumination and initiation to train the unskilled seekers in the return to the LIGHT.

That LIGHT, that little spark that you think you already have Kernal, is deeply buried in your unconscious and is asleep..asleep..asleep..asleep to you (and almost everyone else anxiouly wondersd about on this spinning ball of mud.
Jesus is restoring His Whole Truth again, “as a thief in the night” as in the days of yore. (yore is another "word" for deepest darkest, long ago forgotten recipes for PERFECTION'...AND certainly not the kind of teachings that lie to you and everyone else that announce "Don't worry be Happy you have a soul..Just put on a smiley face and pretend a lot..smile a lot..use words a lot..and support your local BK franchise with you entire being..such as it is..and someday you too can be dressed in white and sit crosslegged amidst thousands of like minded zombies..swaying to the electronic music, mimed and designed to deepen your state of SLEEP").



Kernal wonders...Why do you believe that Christianity, and no other religion, is the only way to God.

Robert, I am sure your personal beliefs and understandings will serve you at least as well as mine serve me. Would you not agree? Of course.

then Robert chimes in...WAY of course.of course..on course

Permalink Reply by Kernel John on January 11, 2012 at 9:34am

Robert, you are obviously trying to prove something to someone.  Perhaps yourself.

Thanks for your input.  I am more than familiar with the life and teachings of the founder of your religion and have determined that the Christian Religion, or religion in general, is not for me.  I prefer to direct my attention to something I refer to as the Supreme Soul - The Father of Souls - God - Shiva. . .

Your point of view has been appreciated however it is no longer necessary or appreciated by me. 

I understand what you are saying.  It is no longer necessary for you to keep saying it to me.  You have nothing to prove to someone like me - correct?

You are entitled to believe what you believe and I fully accept this.  I accept that you have your beliefs and that they are different from mine.  I ask that you accept that mine are different than yours and leave it at that.   Otherwise, what's your point?  What are you endeavouring to prove or do?  I am not particularly interested in continually clarifying or rationalizing my spiritual frame of reference to you. I'm not asking that you accept anything.  We have had an interesting discourse that has now come to an end. 

You are entitled to think what you want about me and my beliefs.  You can even broadcast  your perceptions as publicly as you do but the fact remains that this exposes far more about you than it does about me.  As far as I'm concerned you have exposed yourself too much.  Thanks for your attention and kind efforts.

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