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Permalink Reply by Kernel John on February 15, 2012 at 7:45am

Robert, you prefer to eke out points of disagreement rather than engage in serious discussion or debate.  I suspect you are combative because points I bring forward threaten you and your beliefs. People behave defensively and irrationally, as you so often do, when they feel threatened.

As for your point above.  Are you saying that you  are comfortable accepting material at its face value and not concerned about where it came from or who wrote what you digest? 

Yes Robert, people around the world read scriptures whose authors are unknown.  If the author of an ancient text is unknown, and this is not uncommon, I determine which organizations or societies stand behind it - if any. For example, which organizations stand behind the King James Version and which behind the tract introduced by James.

If you wish to digest materials that are authored or endorsed by no person or organization, you will probably end up with the incoherence and disjointed ramblings that so you regularly express here.  I prefer to scrutinize my sources with a modicum of rigor and discipline. 

James, imbibe what you want.  I'm here to tell you that the time proven approach is to check the sources first.  Wanna rebut?  This is so easy.

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Permalink Reply by James Germiquet on February 15, 2012 at 10:00am

Kernel

I have said this dozens  of time, I do not care who says it. I mean after all, if I listen to 'you' why should I not listen to everyone else? Everyone has their own point of view. In fact your reply tells me that you are close minded and only listen to what pleases you. You are the one who can never discover anything new because you simply stick your fingers in your ears and say 'lalala I can't hear you' when anyone says something that doesn't fit into what you already have chosen to believe, no matter what anyone else says. And you cannot even see that in yourself. THAT is the true blindness that keeps you searching for a truth that even if you found it you simply would refuse to accept it because you would rather believe whatever it is you have already set your mind to. Robert I believe calls it Whoppers, I am not sure if he is referring to Burger King or the chocolate covered malties or what Robert might consider big lies of the BK as he sticks his own fingers in his ears and says "lalala I can't hear you".

I listen to you Kernel and I add your words to my ever expanding conceptualization of reality. And I will continue to listen to those who are detractors of your favorite cult. Feel free to continue to ignore all the things I say such as I listen to everyones point of view because I think the truth is found within ALL points of view, not just yours.

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Permalink Reply by James Germiquet on February 15, 2012 at 10:35am

 

really? does a robot taste smell see hear and touch and then experience pleasure and pain and joy and accomplishment and fulfill all its 'human needs'. or does it just mechanically process input and output?

a humans decisions based on pain and pleasure and ego and accomplishments are far different that a robotic reaction to such stimuli. but if of course a 'human' were able to program all that stuff into a robot, would that robot be a robot or a self aware life form?

thanks to Jesus? Who is Jesus? Jesus is the TRUTH . Jesus isnt some religions mascot or some religions figurehead ... Jesus IS TRUTH AND RIGHTEOUNESS. no matter what religion says ' love one another ' it is not their unique belief, it is eternal universal spirit of truth, and cannot be copyrighted and claimed as theirs alone. No matter what you choose to call the spirit of truth and righteousness, it is what it is.+ PERIOD ... Jesus is not the soul property of 'christians' Jesus belongs to all who believe in truth and righteousness even if they call themselves atheists or even satanists.

but that is just my dreamy humble opinion.

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Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on February 15, 2012 at 5:48pm

OK but this life is all you have so get to work and wake up your sleeping soul..the so called reality is draqwing to a cvlose.

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Permalink Reply by James Germiquet on February 15, 2012 at 8:06pm

Too soon we get olde

Too late we get smarte

 

I can live but one moment at a time.

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Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on February 17, 2012 at 5:21am

Jesus came to earth from God His Father, to become a man..He taught about the Kingdom of God and how to experience that Kingdom here on earth..then He died so that His Father could restore Him to life..so He (Jesus) could send His Spirit to anyone that invited Him (Jesus) into his heart, and by doing so ALL their imperfections (sins) will be forgiven and they are "born again"

Then the task is to learn how to follow Him as He leads you , cleanses you, illuminates, you, strengthens you, anoints you to prophecy, teach, heal, and vanquish the devil and his powers in you self and others.

Those that do not believe in Him are judged accordingly when we will all be judged.

There is no righteousness or Truth outside of Jesus in the absolute sense..our righteousness is as filth rags as we try and try to be righteous.  On lie Jesus is totally righteous and totally the truth.  He must enter into you upon your invitation so you can be born again and escape the second death

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Permalink Reply by James Germiquet on February 17, 2012 at 9:05am

yep that sounds about right to me.

Now try and put all that into a non religious non biblical secular expression of all those concepts that are contained in the above.

 

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Permalink Reply by Roman Kozlowski on February 18, 2012 at 1:52pm

Knowledge of the shadow forms may constitute a form of 'real' knowledge which nevertheless is just as 'true'.

All experience is relative.

An artist painting a landscape imagines he sees the complete vista before him. Yet another artist standing behind him, can paint the artist painting his painting, the vista before them both, as well as a copy of the painting.

Perspective of viewpoint, and knowledge of such. goes beyond initial focus to convey the greater picture.

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Permalink Reply by Roman Kozlowski on February 18, 2012 at 2:05pm

True. Any doctrine can be an enslavement if one becomes bound by it.

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Permalink Reply by James Germiquet on February 18, 2012 at 2:24pm

But can there be a "good" enslavement. The christians " willing slave" to the god of truth and righteousness" Sure if we choose we can do things that are unhealthy and unfullfilling and harmful. But if we becoming willing slaves to do what is right no matter how tempting it may be to do the other thing, the thing that will be our downfall, is that kind of slavery really so evi?.

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Permalink Reply by James Germiquet on February 18, 2012 at 7:29pm

Kernel and Roman

 

Maybe I should leave you two lovebirds alone.

 

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Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on February 19, 2012 at 5:10am

Science withoutthe Mastr scientist..El Supremo..is a mind trap.  Isaac Newton created the bed rock of science by decoding the bible alonngside alchemy, hermeticism, and  a few other coded works.

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