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PLEASE GOD ANSWER ME
Having spent almost twenty years of my life as a biblical academic scholar and then a minister between my early 20s and 40s, I gradually came to the stark realisation that most of the bible is unfounded story-telling, dressed-up to appear as factual because of references to georgaphical locations and their relative periods of historically acknowledged ruling dynasties and authorities.
Having covered the false histories, I remember immersing myself in the sciences which equiped me with nails to finally close the lid to the coffin of once unquestioned dogma. Yet, for a few years even after this upheaval, the habitual residue of prayer remained as powerful as ever, if not at times more so than ever before. For a time, in fact - a few more years, I still found myself calling out to God to please anwer me in some way to prove my new gathering of knowledge and thinking wrong somehow. --- God never replied.
I eventually studied psychology to some depth to help me make sense of what I had actually been through, and (on reflection) what I had 'ignorantly' imposed on my wife and my childrens most important formative years. As it turned out, their understanding and forgiveness of me is a joy unsurpassed.
But enough about me. Can any of you out there give proof of your God answering your prayers in your most deepest times of need? And in all actuality you can verify without doubt that God has in fact answered you.
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Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on -
This message Roman sounds/feels like you are open and ready (at least a few of the ""I's" clamoring and competing for you "awareness"), are open for business. So yes the proof is in the pudding (so to speak).
The recipe that I used forty years ago was the simple simple one..the one that has drifted slowly down the river History in a simple rustic barque or basket like Moses was placed in as an infant to escape the darkness and dismay of this world. That ancient recipe is mixed inside you skull as a container and goes like this
(maybe chin dipped down close to your chest another ancient gesture that can accompany those words).
Lord Jesus, I invite you into ne...
(into my heart..into my being..whichever you feel comfortable with..it is the sincere invitation that matters and is of utmost imprtance..because He will not violate your Will as an individual),
I invite you into me to take over my life and for give me for all my sins
(simply shortcomings like we all have..we all fall short of the Glory of God).
Please prove to me that you are real and that God is real and teach me your ways.
Please open up the truths in the bible, (especially the New Testament at first Roman), and please give me the desire to read that book. Please strengthen my faith (because that is the toughest part of this effort to remain faithful to an invisable God).
That is basically what I did upon a friends suggestion foty years ago and that prayer or a variation of it changed my life completely from the inside out and the top down.
Oh! God Bless You
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Permalink Reply by Kernel John on -
As no one has yet to picked up on this one, let me respond accordingly.
We exist within a miracle. Praying for a miracle while existing within one doesn't make much sense to me. I prefer learning how to more "profitably" exist within the the miracle through directing my mind. I also understand than many ask to have their prayers answered and believe their is someone or something listening to these requests.
I personally understand that God does not intervene in the affairs of mankind and that he does not take sides or favour one soul (or nation) over another. When someone in authority tells another that their prayers will be heard and answered, this empowers the instigator and not recipient of this spurious belief.
Believing God answers personal prayers is a convenient way people use to convince themselves that God cares and loves them and that they can personally influence their futures by asking that the supreme Deity intervene in the material world on their behalf.
I do not personally subscribe to the believe that God answers prayer. However, I do appreciate the value of prayer as an affirmation of a future desired condition. I believe that the state of our mind and being provides a greater influence on the future than the traditional idea of asking for things through prayer.
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Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on
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As no one has yet to picked up on this one, let me respond accordingly.
Robert has responded...
Kernal guesses that...We exist within a miracle.
and it is a dream that God has created on the Seventh Day when He rested from His labors..kicked back and imagined this reality that you are immersed in (remember this dream is of a disconnected and floundering humanity that broke our original agreement with our Father and Creator, where death does not exist, to follow a huckster, a serpent like being that lied to our original progenitor called Adam. That huckster, that infamous super salesman, offered Adam his brand of "eternal life" the now famous fully loaded "Whopper" limburger, claimed that by eating his food there would not be any death at all.
Our most ancient ancestor, the first man, believed him..ate of it and al it got for him was sorrow, dismay, pain and then death
Kernal says.. Praying for a miracle while existing within one doesn't make much sense to me.
Robert says...Because you still believe in the Whooper"
Kernal offers more advice... I prefer learning how to more "profitably" exist within the the miracle through directing my mind.
then Robert pipes up again...There is no "you" directing your mind..you have no "True Self" at all..just a crowd of ill informed voices inside your bony skull..no Steward that has "objectivity"..just a body/mind filled with vespers and voices that clamor for your attention and of course an ego that imagines this dream is reality..does not you guru tell you anything at all about "reality"?.
I also understand than many ask to have their prayers answered and believe their is someone or something listening to these requests.
I personally understand that God does not intervene in the affairs of mankind and that he does not take sides or favor one soul (or nation) over another. When someone in authority tells another that their prayers will be heard and answered, this empowers the instigator and not recipient of this spurious belief.
That O)l "Huckster has sold you the biggest "Whooper" ever made..how in the world do you rate such special treatment? You are so obedient that's why. Obedient to Who is the bigger question? Would you like your Whooper with or with out Jeez(us)?
Kernal fully satisfied with his special Whooper, a gigantic limburger overflowing with that magic super sauce says..."Believing God answers personal prayers is a convenient way people use to convince themselves that God cares and loves them and that they can personally influence their futures by asking that the supreme Deity intervene in the material world on their behalf.
I do not personally subscribe to the believe that God answers prayer. However, I do appreciate the value of prayer as an affirmation of a future desired condition. I believe that the state of our mind and being provides a greater influence on the future than the traditional idea of asking for things through prayer.
Robert affirms...Kernal, forgivness is not a thing..it is a response from God Himself that created you, to return to Him through His Son that came here to save you from your addictive diet of Whoppers and He is offering you true life..eternally, and a return to the Garden where Whoopers do not exist at all...nevermore.
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Permalink Reply by Adriaan Braam on
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Hi Roman, Just came back to see what I could respond to and get involved with again, after a two weeks holiday.
You are so right, in my view, to look for God in the literal text of the Bible and not finding Him there. We believe the literal text is like our body. It is not our body that shows who, or what kind of a person, we are. We are our spirit and our body is just a tool. The Bible text relating what was said, what was done, where someone went or had to go. All is history, and as you know, many details contradict and many just don't make sense (on the literal level). This is the reason quite a few religions have given up on the Old Testament.
One of my favourite questions is 'When was the last time you used the Creation Story for anything in your life?? (other than to start an argument :) )
The Lord said "I have yet many things to tell you but you cannot bear them now. I will send the Spirit of Truth and he will guide you into all truth." As Swedenborgians we believe this happened about 250 years ago. Now we know there is a spiritual sense to the Bible text. The Creation Story has nothing to do with this physical world but every detail makes sense if seen as the process of six stages a person goes through from being natural to becoming spiritual.
That is just one little thing. That same story is like a short index of the rest of the Bible. The whole journey the Israelites made to Canaan is nothing else than how an individual can go from being a slave of knowledge (Egypt) to a (spiritually) free person in Heaven (Canaan). Nothing wrong with being in Egypt because that is the learning process we all must go through to become a useful person. No one becomes a doctor without going to school, but it is wrong to become a slave of knowledge and not put it to good use. Many times people were sent to Egypt, even the Lord, but not to stay.
Well, this is just an intro, but if you like to read a book about the first chapters of Genesis this is volume one of eight. Then there are four that deal, also word for word, with Exodus. Who knows, maybe at some point you may regard this as the answer you were waiting for. It has been for many others.
One more thing. A very kind member here has helped me put a book in pdf format which I think will help you too. Have you ever wondered why God gave such detailed instructions how to built the Tabernacle? Was God maybe a picky camper?? :) Every single aspect of that Tabernacle represents an aspect of the human mind. Materials, layout, even colours and sizes depict a spiritual aspect of the human mind and how it should be used. This is the book. Enjoy.
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Permalink Reply by Kernel John on
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Geez Robert, you sure like to talk a lot - but each of these discussion forums has a focus. Here, Roman asks if anyone here can provide proof of God answering their prayers in deepest times of need. I can't. Can you?
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Permalink Reply by Khem the Is Real-ite on
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Not even Jesus Christ wasted His time on the dead, psycho Salvis. So why would His Father in heaven?
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Permalink Reply by Robert DeFord on
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Kernal says...Geez Robert, you sure like to talk a lot - but each of these discussion forums has a focus. Here, Roman asks if anyone here can provide proof of God answering their prayers in deepest times of need. I can't. Can you?
Kernal can you follow the recipe I gave to Roman? Is it too complicated? If so please point out what you do not underastand. Then ask Roman if he followed the recipe.
Oh also please answewer the two ultra simple questions I asked you about the BK Whopper menu.
1. Does your Guru teach that India is the only safe haven left after the "A pot O Lipstick" events,destroy every other continent?...that the mighty BK "Whopper" Mahatma Guru swears is about to extinguish roughly 7,000,000,000,000 human beings? (to many zeroes Kernal? I added a few since the godman dropped a few on the floor of the Burger King franchise he was last spotted in..as he rushed out to publish his latest list of "Tribulations" for your lesson material.)
A,LERT! SOME OF THE ABOVE MAY BE PERCEIVED AS FOL DE ROL. NOT CERTAIN WHAT FOL DE ROL MEANS BUT I FOUND SOME ON THE FLOOR OF THE FRANCHISE. APPEARANTLY FOL DE ROL IS A PRIZE FOR THE KIDS AND THERE ARE PRIZES IN EACH BK (BURGER KING) BOX. "YIPPEE KY YA" WAS HEARD IN THE AIR AS THE MIGHTY BK MAHATMA SCAMPERED DOWN THE PATH TO THE PRINT SHOPPE WITH HIS ABSOLUTELY LATEST MADCAP PROPHECIES.
2. Are you at the "ready"?
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