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I have for years. Sincerely and before God, that is the truth.

 

note: The BK advocate said their parents arrange their entry into the BK because they can't marry them off. It doesn't sound like the daughters have a choice.

And do they have a better choice if they are married off to some rich guy who will rape them each night when they come home from whatever money making job he forces them to do.

I have read the papers and seen how husbands are allowed to kill their wives in india and get away with it. Are you sure the BK are such a horrible alternative?

 

 

the lesser of two evils argument... that's a winner...

I just question how bad such a choice really is. Is bthere not a christian option. Maybe you could go and offer the same service BK offers only in christian format.

James, yesterday you "accused" me of "attacking" your religion.  I asked if you could provide me with a couple of examples of this.  You responded by saying how my behavior made you sometimes feel attacked.  I asked you a second time to provide some examples.  You balked.  Is this a "reasonable" observation of what just went on?  

Now you are saying that criticism can be dangerous and that I sometimes use my education as a weapon.  Are you criticizing me for being educated?  

We are each engaged in a process of observing, analyzing, concluding and feeding this information back (responding) to the group or individual within the group.  The principles at play here are that this feedback is most effective when:

  1. observational rather than judgmental,
  2. when it is immediate and
  3. when it is solicited rather than imposed. 

By being here, we have all invited feedback.

 

What you see as me being critical I see as me feeding back observed and/or substantiated (validated) information back to the group or individual.  I suspect that you think of criticism as some kind of "negative" feedback.  However a movie critic, for example, is not obliged to give negative criticism.  Being critical does not, by definition have a negative meaning.  A critic could love the movie.  Right?  There is nothing wrong with being critical - is there? 

As for using my education (interpersonal communication skills) as a weapon, again James, can you give me an example or two? 

Look, if you say something that doesn't make sense to me and I tell you what it is and give you some examples of why I think it doesn't make sense, am I using my communication skills as weapons?  I'm not trying to negate your perception that I seem overly critical.  I'm again suggesting that you go over our exchanges (in your head) and let me know where I was "unnecessarily" critical (of you).  Did I call you stupid, a moron, a putz or give you a derogatory label?  Now ask yourself, where there things that the Kernel said that made you feel a bit dumb? What were they.  When I said I found some of your comments to be obtuse?

Thanks for your feedback James. Sorry I don't have time now to provide a more thorough response.  Perhaps we can pick this up at a later stage.

I am proposing that with some basic communication protocols, the quality of participation in this group could consequently be elevated.  I am also suggesting there may be some here who are quite content to leave things the way they are.

Develop a premise and test it - as you sometimes do.

 

 

There are quite a few Christian churches in India. They are not thought of kindly by the Hindus it would seem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_India

The Christian church does do what it can. 


I provided the proof that you attack Christians. As an example I showed that you call them all idolaters.

 

Oh that's right.... You wanted James to prove it.  Sorry, this is an open forum. A question asked to one is asked to all.

 

You continually ask manipulative questions. You think you are so good at it others can't see them for what they are? Sorry once again, but we see them very well.

 

If you believe the Bible, then salvation is through Jesus. All other are of the other hub.

 

I do not think I accused you of attacking "my" religion probably because I am not sure I even have a religion. My being so critical of the christian religion myself and continually referring to the Quotes of Jesus to tell those who did things in his name to depart from him, doesnt bode well for me to even want to be a part of that religion.

What I thought I said and what I intnded to say is that any critical comment about any religion could be seen as an attack upon that religion and an attack on persons who are members of that religion.

 

I also suggested that while being critical can be good in the sense of "constructive" criticism, criticism can also be very destructive as in the case of "

"Children Learn What They Live If a child lives with criticism, he learns to condemn. If a child lives with hostility, he learns to fight. If a child lives with ridicule, he learns to be shy. If a child lives with jealousy, he learns to feel guilty. If a child lives with impropriety, he learns to feel shame. If a child lives with tolerance, he learns to be patient. If a child lives with encouragement he learns confidence If a child lives with praise, he learns to appreciate. He a child lives with fairness, he learns justice. If a child lives with security, he learns to have faith. If a child lives with approval, he learns to like himself. If a child lives with acceptance and friendship, he learns to find love in the world. With what is your child living?"

Author: Dorothy Law Neite"
 
sorry about the large font its a cut and paste
 
And we are all Gods "children" are we not?
 
I am not concerned about negativity toward me as I do not think we have had any problems except in terms of misunderstandings which generally clear up after clarification. The problem seems to be between jeff and yourself.
I have noted that the use of criticism to evoke results as noted above can be a dangerous practise.
The only communication I am proposing is simply spirit of understanding of the other persons sensitivity and a small effort not to antagonize the other person especially not  just to "observe their reaction" to being verbally kneed in the groin so to speak.
Satanists at least are very honest about this approach. You dish it out and you had better get ready to have it tossed right back at you in a two eyes for one eye attack.
Just out of curiousity have you ever studied the ethics of satanists, I have looked it up and it isn't what I expected, but I think I will have another look at it for a refresher on what they believe. I even respect the rights of satanists to believe what they believe. I am sure many think that far worse than being naive.

I wonder how many of these beliefs we can appreciate the validity of.

 

The Nine Satanic Sins

Beliefs of the Church of Satan

  satanism

While the Church of Satan encourages individuality and the gratification of desires, it does not suggest that all actions are acceptable. The Nine Satanic Sins, published by Anton LaVey in 1987, target nine characteristics Satanists should avoid. Here they are, along with my own explanations.

1. Stupidity

Stupid people do not get ahead in this world. Satanists strive to keep themselves informed and to not be fooled by others who seek to manipulate and use them.
 2. Pretentiousness
Taking pride in one’s achievements is encouraged in Satanism. However, one should only take credit for one’s own accomplishments. Making empty claims about yourself is not only obnoxious but also potentially dangerous, leading to sin No. 4, self-deceit.

3. Solipsism

Satanists use this term to refer to the presumption many people make that other people think, act and have the same desires as themselves. It’s important to remember that everyone is an individual with his own individual goals and plans. To expect someone to treat you as you treat him is foolish. Instead, Satanists encourages you to treat people as they treat you. You should always deal with the reality of the situation rather than expectations.

4. Self-Deceit

Satanists deal with the world as it is. Convincing yourself of untruths because they are more comfortable is no less problematic than letting someone else deceive you.

5. Herd Conformity

Satanism exalts the power of the individual. Western culture encourages people to go with the flow, and to believe and do things simply because the wider community is doing such. Satanists attempt to avoid such behavior, following the herd only if it makes logical sense and suits one’s own needs.

6. Lack of Perspective

Remain aware of both the big and small pictures, never sacrificing one for the other. Remember your own important place in things, and don’t be overwhelmed with the viewpoints of the herd. On the flipside, we do live in a world larger than ourselves. Always keep an eye on the big picture and how you can fit yourself into it.

7. Forgetful of Past Orthodoxies

Society is constantly taking old ideas and repackaging them as new, original ideas. Do not be fooled by such offerings.

8. Counterproductive Pride

If it works, use it. You should never be embarrassed of your own accomplishments. However, if pride is getting in the way of getting things done with other people, you should set it aside until such time as it becomes constructive again.
Beauty and balance are two things Satanists strive for. This is particularly true in magical practices but can be extended to the rest of one’s life as well. Avoid following that which society dictates is beautiful and learn to identify true beauty, whether or not others recognize it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics

Beauty and balance are two things Satanists strive for. This is particularly true in magical practices but can be extended to the rest of one’s life as well. Avoid following that which society dictates is beautiful and learn to identify true beauty, whether or not others recognize it.

Anton LaVey compiled the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth in 1967, two years before the publication of the Satanic Bible. It was originally meant for circulation only among members of the Church of Satan as it was considered "too frank and brutal for general release" as per the Church of Satan Informational Pack. This document is © Anton Szandor LaVey, 1967.

  1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
  2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
  3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
  4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
  5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
  6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
  7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
  8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
  9. Do not harm little children.
  10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
  11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

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