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The mixing of religious and non-religious beliefs in an individual.
Word problems to solve religious dilemmas logically
by word problems i mean, the kind where you are given a list of names and some information about each person and you are supposed to guess some info about who is what. the hard kind of word problem. It seems to me that, knowing little about what is going on with Deity, but religion being important, this is the method, aside from faith or grace or gnosis, to figure stuff out.
example:
On an isolated island there lives two tribes: the Sacha and the Jhuta. The Sachas always speak the truth and the Jhutas never do. One day an anthropologist, Sam, arrives on the island and is met by four tribesmen of the island. Sam knows about the truthful Sachas and the lying Jhutas. Trying to figure out which tribe each of the 4 belong to he asks the first tribesmen whether the second was a Sacha or a Jhuta. 'Jhuta' the man says. He then asks the second one whether the third is a Sacha or a Jhuta and again the reply was 'Jhuta'. Sam asks the third man about the fourth, he also replies 'Jhuta'. When Sam asks the fourth what the first man would say about the third, once again he is told 'Jhuta'. Sam immediately writes in his log, correctly, how many of each tribe has come to greet him. How does he deduce this?
Answer: Sam knows that Sachas tell the truth and Jhutas lie. If a tribesman is asked which tribe he belongs to, he will invariably answer Sacha, since if he is Sacha he will tell the truth, and if he is Jhuta he will lie and say he is Sacha.
Similarly, if two tribesmen belong to the same tribe and are asked about the eachother the answer will invariably be Sacha. If the two tribesmen are from different tribes, the answer will always be Jhuta, since the Sacha will truthfully point out the Jhuta and the Jhuta will lie and call the Sacha a Jhuta.
Since the first tribesmen told Sam that the second tribesman was a Jhuta, this means that these two men are from different tribes. Likewise, with the second and third tribesmen are from different tribes and the same with the third and the fourth. This means that the first and the third man are from the same tribe and so too are the second and fourth tribesmen.
Then when Sam asks the fourth what would the first man say about the third, the fourth tribesman says 'Jhuta'. Since sam already knows that the first and third men are of the same tribe and same tribesmen will invariably say the other is a Sacha, Sam knows that the fourth is lying. Therefore the fourth man is a Jhuta and so is the second. The First and the third are Sacha.
sorry that was long.
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Permalink Reply by James Germiquet on -
Why not just ask each of them this question?
Does a sachas lie?
The Sachas always speak the truth and the Jhutas never do
The sacha would have to say ... no
The Jhutas would have to say .... yes
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Permalink Reply by giordio cieszkowski on -
wow!
i picked a bad one. you know those problems where you are supposed to find the age of a list of given names,
Sarah, Jack, Bill Jill, Frank, Vera, Joseph
Joseph is older than the middle youngest person, the middle youngest person is a female. the oldest person's name starts with 'J', the oldest person is 28, the youngest 20..... etc., a word problem like this does resemble the long slow work that it takes to add slight facts together and get to Religious truth. I'm pretty rationally oriented tho.
James Germiquet said:Why not just ask each of them this question?
Does a sachas lie?
The Sachas always speak the truth and the Jhutas never do
The sacha would have to say ... no
The Jhutas would have to say .... yes
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Permalink Reply by James Germiquet on
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I have a tendency to try to find the most direct root.
That is why I like the simplicity of all the laws of Moses being fulfilled by just adhereing to 2 very simple laws. Love truth and righteousness above all else and love your neighbor as yourself. Any one who has to be told that obeying those two rules means you should not steal or kill or commit adultery, isn't really interested in truth and righteousness in the first place are they?
giordio cieszkowski said:wow!
i picked a bad one. you know those problems where you are supposed to find the age of a list of given names,
Sarah, Jack, Bill Jill, Frank, Vera, Joseph
Joseph is older than the middle youngest person, the middle youngest person is a female. the oldest person's name starts with 'J', the oldest person is 28, the youngest 20..... etc., a word problem like this does resemble the long slow work that it takes to add slight facts together and get to Religious truth. I'm pretty rationally oriented tho.
James Germiquet said:Why not just ask each of them this question?
Does a sachas lie?
The Sachas always speak the truth and the Jhutas never do
The sacha would have to say ... no
The Jhutas would have to say .... yes
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Permalink Reply by giordio cieszkowski on
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I am thinking more cosmology here when i say word problem approach. like, how many Gods are there? Where do we go after we die? Are we made in God's image? Immanuel Kant says, there is no way of investigating these claims. I believe that there are faint traces of Religious evidence in everyday life, and therefore you could investigate. but since they are faint traces, it requires a slow-gathering-of-evidence method, which is why i am saying, word problem approach.
James Germiquet said:I have a tendency to try to find the most direct root.
That is why I like the simplicity of all the laws of Moses being fulfilled by just adhereing to 2 very simple laws. Love truth and righteousness above all else and love your neighbor as yourself. Any one who has to be told that obeying those two rules means you should not steal or kill or commit adultery, isn't really interested in truth and righteousness in the first place are they?
giordio cieszkowski said:wow!
i picked a bad one. you know those problems where you are supposed to find the age of a list of given names,
Sarah, Jack, Bill Jill, Frank, Vera, Joseph
Joseph is older than the middle youngest person, the middle youngest person is a female. the oldest person's name starts with 'J', the oldest person is 28, the youngest 20..... etc., a word problem like this does resemble the long slow work that it takes to add slight facts together and get to Religious truth. I'm pretty rationally oriented tho.
James Germiquet said:Why not just ask each of them this question?
Does a sachas lie?
The Sachas always speak the truth and the Jhutas never do
The sacha would have to say ... no
The Jhutas would have to say .... yes
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