"The argument is stupid, because it applies so generally to so many different things. Even with atheism, you could argue that it could possibly be an atheistic world, and therefore this is the end all be all of existence, so we should all…"
"I think this is an example of "appeal to force." It's possible that there will be some penalty for not believing; therefore, you should believe. But there are penalties for having any erroneous belief in life. So you…"
"I like to imagine it began with the first spoken words, because language really enriches the relationship between sentient beings. It takes you in really deep, into a profound experience of another sentient being. Yet you're at a…"
"My dad was a sociopath, and I never wanted to be like him. But growing up, no one was there for me. I even watched my mother, who I loved and still love very much, brought down by this man into believing that no one cares. And…"
I live in Rio, Brazil. One hour later than your time. Btw, here is the url to buy Watts Psychoterapy East & West - less than $10 shipping included:
From what I have seen, I wouldn't say you are particularly verbose. Not compared to some. I don't know if I'm good at initiating conversation, though I love to have conversations. What is your mother tongue? EST is the same time as NYC, yes.
Am I verbose? English is a pain for me, however I find sometimes in this place some real.. human interaction, from a kind not immediately available in my mother tongue, I guess. Quality, not profusion. Some subjects demand more than others, though. EST means the same time as NYC? That's 1 to 2 hours less than my local time, depending on this summer 1 hour shift that I can't remember the name.
People did deny that someone called Jesus was the messiah back then as they do now. They tried to destroy the cult and failed, and people are still trying to destroy it today. Most people of the time, though, were simply unaware of the story, and why try to destroy something you're not aware of? Some of them chose to believe and others went about their way.
In short, even if Christianity were not based around a real person, it could easily have survived.
Since we know that people exaggerate and create false legends surrounding people, and since we don't have any proof that sin exists or that people can rise from the dead, odds are that the story of Jesus is at best a gross exaggeration. To such an extent that the Jesus we are left with can't reasonably be said to have ever existed -- there is no point in discussing a Jesus that wasn't the savior, and there is no evidence that Jesus was the savior.
Check out final page of discussion, What Word Means Potential To Be Anything. In 4 posts, I offer an outline listing the contributions by each participant as a summary, means of seeing where discussion went, what it found, what remains to be done, welcoming any additional ideas. Some valuable concepts were offered amidst all the meandering.
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