Truthfully, I have found that more than anything, I am amazed that John Locke had the foresight to see the problems religion and government could create if they were too closely linked. To think that a couple hundred years back, there were people envisioning how we would live today, and trying to solve problems for us preemptively, is an amazing thing. It makes me wonder how we are trying to solve the futures problems now. What are we doing to ensure our children, our children's children, will… Read More
Added by Andrea Teal Shinn on September 29, 2009 at 2:57pm —
The separation between government and religion, talked about by Locke, is a very difficult situation to discuss. At what point do you decide that religion is taking over? and how do we decide how much religion is actually allowed in the government? Religion is very much a part of a lot of peoples lives, and so it would make sense that some of that faith and belief comes out and makes itself present in the government.
Reading Locke's thoughts on toleration, it seems almost impossible not to… Read More
Added by Laili Dalloul on September 28, 2009 at 10:36pm —
Government consists of people. People has their beliefs, thus making the government is an institution with a collective beliefs. Can Government be objective? The answer seems not about whether Government can or can not. The answer is up to us, the people. Many of us teach our children that other religions than the family religion are wrong and would end up your soul somewhere
in dark horrible place.
Talking about extreme situation. We've seen that family with strong atheism's… Read More
Added by PH214 Youstbi Djuanvat on September 28, 2009 at 3:30pm —
I learned a lot from this section on religion and government. This is such an interesting topic in the discussion of religion because people have such strong opinions about it. Below, I have listed just a few things I learned and found interesting during this unit.
• Governments use religion as an excuse to enter into war.
• We have the right to object to or challenge a religion if we know it is harmful.
• Redefine God’s purpose is to enter into healthy discussion,… Read More
Added by Molly Goodman on September 28, 2009 at 10:30am —
At what point do we decide that we cannot keep the government out of religion. Who is able to decide this? A parent can choose to not vaccinate their child for religious or personal reasons, but a child dying of cancer will be required to undergo chemotherapy and radiation treatment, regardless of religious creed. People may say, that it is an easy example to pick apart, if a child has cancer and needs treatment, it’s being done to save that child’s life. What if that child comes down with a… Read More
Added by Chandra Fudge on September 28, 2009 at 7:00am —
We were asked to summarize what we got from our discussions regarding tolerance. Well, honestly, I feel as though I'm right back where I started. The discussions have come full circle. We all agree that there should be more tolerance in the world. We all agree that there is no "clear cut" way to get there. We expect tolerance from others when we speak of our beliefs. However, do we always practice tolerance for others? I like to think that I am open minded to everything and everyone. However,… Read More
Added by PH214 Lori T. on September 27, 2009 at 9:58pm —
Locked said “faith is not faith without believing” (Stewart 270) in his argument for a secular government. It is such a great quote for me, because it truly holds the spirit of a secular mind trying to co-exist with a person who believes in God, or maybe vice-versa. While it is very easy to want to convert a non believer, and show them the path to God and the kingdom of heaven, it’s easy to forget that without true faith, one cannot possibly truly believe in God, and while it can be said… Read More
Added by Chandra Fudge on September 27, 2009 at 5:01pm —
There are many ways to try to find the truth concerning any religion, but realize that people have been doing that for thousands of years.
EVERY religion was actually started by people attempting to logically derive real truth, some with more success than others. But what came, in every case is what still occurs today. People begin to corrupt the original intention with misunderstandings and political incentives. They use language to persuade compliance.
The Abrahamic… Read More
Added by James S Saint on September 27, 2009 at 12:28pm —
I have been thinking a lot lately about how lucky I am to live in a country where I can have my own religion and that it is pretty much tolerated by the people around me and by my government. I don’t have to worry about being arrested or killed or ridiculed because of my religion. A friend of mine just visited china, and she told me how you have to be really careful not to mention religion at all. It’s illegal to get together and have any religious meetings, without first getting permission… Read More
Added by Laili Dalloul on September 26, 2009 at 8:30pm —
Reading about religion and government I have learned that the main thing needed is Toleration. It is needed and used by people everyday and not only with religion. Also government and religion should be seen and known as two separate groups, because they can collide and cause problems. Toleration contributes to society by involving everyone because some many people are different; others have to be open-minded and respectful to them. Not every one is going to agree with each other or want to… Read More
Added by Cally Grissom on September 26, 2009 at 11:00am —
“…and that all ecclesiastical men, who boast themselves to be the successors of the apostles, walking peaceably and modestly in the apostles’ steps, without intermeddling with state affairs, may apply themselves wholly to promote the salvation of souls” (Stewart 274).
This is the final phrase in the chapter on religion and government. My interpretation of this is that people who call themselves followers of Christianity/Judaism/Islam etc. and follow their prophets’ words will… Read More
Added by Molly Goodman on September 26, 2009 at 8:00am —
Governments' tolerance towards religious beliefs. Many of us lucky enough to live in countries that really give so much freedom to worship. I believe not even one single government in this planet fully apart from the religions of its people. Governments always in the sight of religion one way or another. Back when I was in Indonesia I still remember how churches were tore down, burnt down, and destroyed like worthless illegal buildings. I still remember vividly how christians cried out to the… Read More
Added by PH214 Youstbi Djuanvat on September 25, 2009 at 3:00am —
Ok the great debate, the boundry for which religion and government intersect and where each should be divided.
I think there is a fine line for which the government should tell you what you can or can not do when it comes to ones faith after all religion and government have very similiar codes or laws. But I think even greater that religion should not dictate the government. We see the politicians when running for election, this lutheran this, this baptish that, always a question… Read More
Added by brichie71 Student PHI-214 on September 24, 2009 at 3:06pm —
How does toleration apply to me?
I briefly touched on my often intolerant views before. It’s interesting that I can view myself as being respectful and tolerant of other people, and at the same time classify myself as being intolerant. A lot of it comes down to ethnocentrism however. Do I think certain religious practices are outdated and inhumane? Most certainly, I will definitely voice my opinion on what I think is the injustice for other people.
I think it’s impossible… Read More
Added by Chandra Fudge on September 24, 2009 at 7:56am —
In our world today, there is such an array of different people, different believes, different values and morals and religions. There are many ways of thinking and many different ways that people choose to live thier lives. It would be almost impossible not to be Tolerant, and it might also be miserable not to be tolerant. Today we have many ways of communicating with each other, being able to tolerate other individuals ways of thinking is how we connect with people. It is having this amazing… Read More
Added by Laili Dalloul on September 23, 2009 at 8:47pm —
"For no man can, if he would, conform his faith to the dictates of another. All of the life and power of true religion consist on the inward and full persuasion of the mind; and faith is not faith without believing. Whatever profession we make, to whatever outward worship we conform, if we are not fully satisfied in our own mind that the one is true, and the other well pleasing unto God, such profession and such practice, far from being and furtherance, are indeed great obstacles to our… Read More
Added by Molly Goodman on September 23, 2009 at 6:43pm —
"It is not the diversity of opinions (which cannot be avoided), but the refusal of toleration to those that are of different opinions (which might have been granted), that has produced all the bustles and wars that have been in the Christian world upon account of religion." (Locke, p. 273).
I believe the point Locke was trying to make about toleration is that everyone is allowed to have their beliefs and have faith in whatever deity they prescribe to. However, when groups no longer… Read More
Added by PH214 Lori T. on September 21, 2009 at 9:43pm —
Open source relates to religion and government because is all about toleration, you meet a lot of new people that have different views and ideas as yours. Toleration is something that’s valued, because people expect you to respect them and not call them out in a harsh way on something they said. There is also a role of government in a way that if you don’t follow the rules or discriminate/attack someone because of there beliefs or views you are to leave the site. Toleration and government go… Read More
Added by Cally Grissom on September 21, 2009 at 2:00pm —
A Religion, a fundamental freedom of every human being. We were born free to choose what we want to believe in but many theocracy and non-secular governments tend to limit our freedom of choice to believe what we want to believe. No explanations are better to show the condition of our religious freedom than examples. In Malaysia, Malay natives ethnic were born automatically to the religion of Islam. The head of state of Malaysia HH the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (The Paramount ruler) is the official… Read More
Added by PH214 Youstbi Djuanvat on September 21, 2009 at 6:30am —
I've had the chance to think about toleration quite a bit today, having been at work dealing with rude people and having had a headache for most of the afternoon. Toleration is putting a smile on your face, and doing the things you must do with pleasure. It is serving rude freshmen boys six baskets of french fries, and having to run back and forth between a table four times because they keep forgetting they need something (I'm a waitree...). It is accepting that other people are different,… Read More
Added by Andrea Teal Shinn on September 20, 2009 at 11:35pm —