Comment by Kernel John on March 8, 2010 at 9:49pm

In recent years, a number of scientific studies conducted by independent researchers have found that as many as 10-20 percent of individuals who undergo cardiac arrest report lucid, well-structured thought processes, reasoning, memories, and sometimes detailed recall of their cardiac arrest. What makes these experiences remarkable is that while studies of the brain during cardiac arrest have consistently that there is no brain activity during this period, these individuals have reported detailed perceptions that appear to indicate the presence of a high-level of consciousness in the absence of measurable brain activity.
These studies appear to suggest that the human mind and consciousness may in fact function at a time when the clinical criteria of death are fully present and the brain has ceased functioning. If these smaller studies can be replicated and verified through the definitive, large-scale studies of the Human Consciousness Project, they may not only revolutionize the medical care of critically ill patients and the scientific study of the mind and brain, but may also bear profound universal implications for our social understanding of death and the dying process.

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Comment by The Wrath of God on March 8, 2010 at 10:43pm

That's it, The Kernel. I see this as the moment where the century, the saeculum, the secular, the profane, will kiss the sacred. These are interesting times for one to live, right?

Comment by Kernel John on March 8, 2010 at 11:19pm

Interesting times indeed! Right!

Comment by The Wrath of God on March 9, 2010 at 2:56pm

You know, the attention to the dying, which implies in not being horrified by the pathos of death, came first, and then came hearing to what survivors had to say about their experiences. Before that, the rule for hospital personnel was to mantain the standard, strictly professional attitude towards the dying patients. Not to mention lying about their true condition. Well, and survivors who insisted in talking about their weird experiences were taken to the psychiatrists.

Perhaps that is still the rule in most hospitals in the western world. That changed in the US first, thanks to that extraordinary Swiss woman, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, as you know, who got her 'phd' in this subject when, still as a young girl, she went alone to the Polish slaughterhouse just after the German defeat, to help stanch the bleading.

Anyway, the phenomenon was sistematically studied in the US, after the begginings with Raymond Moody's paperback. I don't know how much you've read about that, The Kernel, but the best book I've read on the subject is the work of a French journalist, a really nice investigation, a trip to the US in the '90s, with interviews with the main actors in that scene, and related areas such as (Stan Grof) Transpersonal Psychology, (Rupert Sheldrake) Biology and (David Bohm) Physics. This scene hasn't changed significantly since the '90s, but it seems it will change now.

Comment by david thurman on March 9, 2010 at 3:40pm

YOU ARE A STUD. Read my letter to you about Ryann where I am coming from then you can understand that this is a fact consciousness is not material only. The duality though is a problem how do we have both states and how do those work I think is going to lead to heisenburg like principles and complexity principles that we already know in physics to be applied to the brain. Science treats this profound organizm like it understands it. How can you reductively insult Einstien like that I ask. ....The brain trancends human understanding and always will....Thank you very much for this John, I am so sorry for using so many words, but I'm not that smart.

Comment by David Bee on March 10, 2010 at 7:54pm

I believe that we are spiritual beings having a mortal experience. After our bodies die, we will yearn for the day when we can regain our bodies. That yearning may not be believed, and will not be fully realized, until after our bodies die, and we realize just how great it was to be one with the elements. When we resurrect, our spirit and body will be united again (glorified, if you will), physically perfect, inseparable and immortal forevermore, independent of any of the conditions required to stay alive now.

Comment by Kernel John on March 10, 2010 at 10:47pm

Research into Near Death Experience has been discussed on RG in the past. Read what other RG members had to say back in 2008.
http://www.redefinegod.com/forum/topics/855906:Topic:41599

Comment by Roman Kozlowski on March 11, 2010 at 10:24am

Kernel.

The problem is an obvious one, and one that I was surprised that you didn't even pick up on when you said "What makes these experiences remarkable is that while studies of the brain during cardiac arrest have consistently that there is no brain activity during this period, these individuals have reported detailed perceptions that appear to indicate the presence of a high-level of consciousness in the absence of measurable brain activity".

The subjects undergoing basic brain activity monitoring during emergency conditions within hospitals are far removed from the research conditions of more detailed and complex brain scanning techniques used in non emegency settings.

Unfortunately, it is unlikely that the more revealing brain scanning machines would ever be used during just such moments of immediate emergency care.

In future, please try to think first before posting such obvious flaws.

Comment by Roman Kozlowski on March 11, 2010 at 10:51am

DT said "this is a fact consciousness is not material only". How can you be so sure that consciousness is something else more than matter? Can not matter be like an expanding rubber band. The rubber band when stretched is still a rubber band. Don't you think gravity, heat, light, and even dreams, can in some sense be viewed as essence of matter? Just because we cannot taste, hold, see or feel such things, does not necessarily attribute some of these things to the realms of non-matter.

Comment by The Wrath of God on March 11, 2010 at 11:29am

There's a little flaw in your argument, dear mr. Kozlowski. These aren't Kernel's words, he just pasted them here. These words are from dr. Sam Parnia, M.D., Ph.D., MRCP, Honorary Senior Research Fellow, University of Southampton; Fellow, Pulmonary & Critical Care Medicine, Weill Cornell Medical Center; Founder and Director, The Human Consciousness Project.

Oh, and what's this project?
http://www.mindbodysymposium.com/Human-Consciousness-Project/human-...

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