Comment by Kernel John on April 19, 2011 at 11:00pm

Yes Jeff,  Christianity has absorbed much from other cultures and religions without scarcely being aware of it - in this case when the Hindoooo Maha-atma Ghandi taught that human souls should “Hate the sin and love the sinner”. 

Anyway, enjoy the Easter period.

 

Comment by Khem the Is Real-ite on April 19, 2011 at 11:29pm

This guy is a pastor for fucking children.

 

 

Comment by doug on April 20, 2011 at 5:18am

and we ALL need to be as children and be innocent...and none of us are innocent without the grace of God

Comment by Jeff H on April 20, 2011 at 9:12am

 

Yep doug.

Comment by Jeff H on April 20, 2011 at 9:13am

 

Except you miss the point. Ghandi's phrase was not a correct assertion of what God teaches about Himself.

Comment by Kernel John on April 20, 2011 at 10:15am

True Jeff. But we must differentiate between what God teaches through the scriptures of the world and what Gandhi himself said.  First, so called Hindoos do not worship Gandhi as Christians worship Jesus.  So those who admired the words of the Hindooo and turned them into a bumper $ticker about God are the ones who screwed up - not the Hindoo guy.

Second I don't recall that Gandhi ever claimed his words were the words of God - right? 

Next is it reasonable to understand that, like Ghandi, Jesus too was a student of Ahimsa - "harmlessness" or non-violence. 

Interesting though that in the video the "pastor" does a slight of hand and leaves the impression that Gandhi said that God loves sinners. 

As Alexander points out, as does this video, the bible teaches that God hates.  He gives us free will then hates sinners. 

 

Comment by Jeff H on April 20, 2011 at 2:09pm

 

There are consequences to almost all bad choices, but you still get to choice. The Pastor didn't do the slight of hand. He is correcting one done by others. 

Comment by Kernel John on April 20, 2011 at 7:10pm

Got me again Jeff. . . bad consequences for bad choices - deep. 

The "Hindooo", referred to by the preacher, had nothing to do with the millions of Christians who made this quotation their own then advertised it on their bumpers.

Why do you think it was adopted by so many?

I think it was because Jesus told Christian to love their neighbour - even if your neighbour is a Hindooo or someone who commits sin. If we don't understand this then what have we really learned?

Tell us non-Christians, what conditions did he  place on loving our neighbours.  I know one.  The condition he put on this teaching was simple. He said, we should love others as we love ourself. 

Did Jesus not dine with sinners?  I know you love all God's Children even those who continue to make bad choices. When "we" realize "they" are like us (you and me), then we realize our own path to road to perfection.  How do you think the blind get to see?

Love the fundamentalist, hate the fundamentalism.  What do you think?  Yes, I know.  One man's fundamentalism is another man's orthodoxy.

 

Comment by doug on April 22, 2011 at 5:13am

sounds good, kernel...and gandhi is quoting Jesus when he says to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  Jesus died for all sinners' sins, because he loves the sinner...but hated their/our sin   

Comment by James Germiquet on June 22, 2011 at 3:18pm

I liked the Mark Driscoll sermon and I say to the Who is Mark Driscol video, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I actually became a christian in the early 70's and can understand why mark is trying to bring the gospel to people who are fed up with churches full of hypocrites who think because their robes are washed in the blood of Jesus that they don't need to put on clean underwear... don't ask lol

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